Weight



  • Recently I weighed some Crolna shards to answer a question for Fiery, and that set me off to decide to weigh every item in the game. With the exception of un-weighable items (such as a fishing net or a crate), I have now done this. I'm posting a topic about it because Cythera needs more topics.

    Items in Cythera are weighed in "grains." As I understand it, grains were a unit of measurement a long time ago, equal to the approximate mass of one seed of barley or wheat. That would fit the time period that Cythera is set in, but otherwise I can't see a connection. One "grain" in Cythera seems to represent a lot more than a seed of barley. For example, a human corpse weighs 160 grains (perhaps a "grain" is similar to a pound?). Maybe somebody more knowledgeable in history/cultures can explain what exactly the "grains" of measurement used in Cythera are?

    The weights of items seem to decide how much can fit in a container, which doesn't seem very realistic, but I'm not complaining.

    I weighed most items with a scale, as that's the easiest way I know of. However, the scale did give me inconsistent results sometimes, so I don't completely trust it. Whenever a weight seemed "off" to me (for example, an axe weighing negative thirty-one thousand three hundred thirty-five grains), I'd weigh it again later. Sometimes however, the result that seemed weird persisted. For example, a single arrow (or sling stone) weighs 14 grains. But a stack of 2+ arrows weighs 1 grain per arrow. That doesn't make sense to me. Also, a sack weighs considerably more than a chest.

    There are other weird things. A pitcher full of milk or water doesn't weigh any more than an empty one (although pails weigh more when full). A real strange device weighs 4 grains, whereas the edible one weighs only 1. Most books in the game weigh 10 grains, but the Timeflux book weighs 34. Maybe the Timeflux book was intended to be an insufferably long, boring book? A 2-grain spool of thread can produce a 4-grain piece of cloth. A child's corpse weighs the same amount as a grown-up's. A "light" shield is heavier than a full one, though a broken shield weighs almost nothing.

    I used Ooshmaster/Wizzy's complete item list, though I did notice that the guard corpse is missing from the list. Hopefully that's the only missing item.

    If anyone is curious, unicorn and titan corpses are the heaviest items in the game, weighing 255 grains each. I can post the whole item-weight list if anyone is interested, but I won't waste the space if not.



  • If you don't post it, this topic will die an even quicker death than it is already likely to.



  • I'll certainly be interested, when I get around to filling out item pages.



  • Well I guess I might as well post it. This list is a little messy because I just pasted it from Wizzy's website and then added in the weights when I got around to it. I think I've got it filled out. I kept the bizarre weighs for the axe & longsword because they cracked me up (& frustrated me because the scale kept giving them to me for a long time. I lost count of how many times I weighed those weapons and even tried different savefiles. I didn't bother checking the weights by any other method though, and when I weighed them on the scale the next day, I got more realistic results).

    Weapons -

    Arrow (1) - 14 grains
    Arrow (2) - 2 grains
    Arrow (3) - 3 grains
    Arrow (4) - 4 grains
    Arrow (5-9) - 1 grain each
    Arrow (10-19) - 1 grain each
    Arrow (20-34) - 1 grain each
    Arrow (35 and up) - 1 grain each
    Magic Arrow (1) - 1 grain
    Magic Arrow (2) - 2 grains
    Magic Arrow (3) - 3 grains
    Magic Arrow (4) - 4 grains
    Magic Arrow (5-9) - 1 grain each
    Magic Arrow (10-19) - 1 grain each
    Magic Arrow (20-34) - 1 grain each
    Magic Arrow (35 and up) - 1 grain each
    Bow - 23 grains
    Axe - -31335 grains (really 47 grains)
    Bomb - 30 grains
    Bomb (Lit) - 30 grains
    Broken Sword (Short) - 1 grain
    Broken Sword (Long) - 1 grain
    Cleaver - 2 grains
    Club - 15 grains
    Dagger - 4 grains
    Dagger (Minor Improvement) - 4 grains
    Dagger (Some Improvement) - 4 grains
    Dagger (Improvement) - 4 grains
    Dagger (Major Improvement) - 4 grains
    Dagger (Very Major Improvement) - 4 grains
    Dagger (Legendary Improvement) - 4 grains
    Gauntlets - 10 grains
    Mace - 18 grains
    Miner's Pick - 24 grains
    Mystic Spear - 20 grains
    Sling - 19 grains
    Sling stone (1) - 14 grains
    Sling stone (2) - 2 grains
    Sling stone (3) - 3 grains
    Sling stone (4) - 4 grains
    Sling stone (5-9) - 1 grain each
    Sling stone (10-19) - 1 grain each
    Sling stone (20-34) - 1 grain each
    Sling stone (35 and up) - 1 grain each
    Spear - 12 grains
    Spikes - 25 grains
    Staff - 25 grains
    Staff (Out of Uses) - 25 grains
    Sword (Short) - 14 grains
    Sword (Short - Minor Improvement) - 14 grains
    Sword (Short - Some Improvement) - 14 grains
    Sword (Short - Improvement) - 14 grains
    Sword (Short - Major Improvement) - 14 grains
    Sword (Short - Very Major Improvement) - 14 grains
    Sword (Short - Legendary Improvement) - 14 grains
    Sword (Long) - -32691 grains (really 34 grains)
    Sword (Long - Minor Improvement) - 34 grains
    Sword (Long - Some Improvement) - 34 grains
    Sword (Long - Improvement) - 34 grains
    Sword (Long - Major Improvement) - 34 grains
    Sword (Long - Very Major Improvement) - 34 grains
    Sword (Long - Legendary Improvement) - 34 grains
    Sword of Heroes - 20 grains

    Armor -

    Buckler - 13 grains
    Light Shield - 45 grains
    Round Shield - 32 grains
    Full Shield - 40 grains
    Broken Shield - 1 grain
    Leather Helmet - 4 grains
    Helmet - 10 grains
    Full Helmet - 24 grains
    Odd Helmet - 18 grains
    Mystic Helmet - 24 grains
    Cuirass - 37 grains
    Metal Breast Plate - 68 grains
    Mystic Armor - 75 grains
    Cloak - 10 grains
    Fur Cloak - 20 grains
    Gator Boots - 4 grains
    Belt of Strength - 10 grains

    Jewelry -

    Landking Amulet - 1 grain
    Ring (Omen's Ring) - 1 grain
    Ring (Theresites' Ring) - 1 grain
    Ring (Stronghold Ring) - 1 grain
    Ring (Ring of Resistance) - 1 grain
    Ring (Atreus' plain Will to Union Ring) - 1 grain

    Clothing -

    Tunic (Short Sleeved) - 4 grains
    Tunic (Sleeveless) - 4 grains
    Pants - 4 grains
    Kilt - 4 grains
    Skirt - 4 grains
    Long Dress (White) - 4 grains
    Dress (Medium White Toga-Style) - 4 grains
    Dress (Medium Yellow Toga-Style) - 4 grains
    Dress (Medium Blue) - 4 grains
    Dress (Medium Red) - 4 grains
    Dress (Small Red) - 4 grains
    Cape (Gray) - 10 grains
    Cape (Brown) - 10 grains
    Sandals - 2 grains
    Boots - 3 grains

    Furniture and Decorations -

    End Table - 74 grains
    Chair (Facing Left) - 74 grains
    Chair (Facing Right) - 74 grains
    Chair (Facing Up) - 74 grains
    Chair (Facing Down) - 74 grains
    Flowers - 10 grains
    Plant - 10 grains
    Decorative Axe - 30 grains

    Paper -

    Paper (Blank) - 1 grain
    Paper (Crude Map) - 1 grain
    Paper (Letter to Aeacus from Tavara) - 1 grain
    Paper (Cademia Treasure Location) - 1 grain
    Paper (Kidnapping Letter from "E" to "D") - 1 grain
    Paper (Wine contract) - 1 grain
    Paper (Omen's test scroll 1) - 1 grain
    Paper (Omen's test scroll 2) - 1 grain
    Paper (Omen's test scroll 3) - 1 grain
    Paper (Omen's test scroll 4) - 1 grain
    Paper (Omen's test scroll 5) - 1 grain
    Paper (Kesh note from Ruffian Camp) - 1 grain
    Paper (Scroll From Berrosus to Alaric) - 1 grain
    Map (Omen's Map) - 2 grains
    Map (Normal Map of Cythera) - 2 grains
    Scroll of Directed Nexus - 1 grain
    Scroll of Detect Concealment - 1 grain
    Scroll of Detect Traps - 1 grain
    Scroll of Vision of the Night - 1 grain
    Scroll of Minor Embrightenment - 1 grain
    Scroll of Death Strike - 1 grain
    Scroll of Remove Mage Lock - 1 grain

    Books -

    Book (Seldane Ruins of Pynx) - 10 grains
    Book (Alaric's Government, an Analysis by Meclemelus) - 10 grains
    Book (Alaric, Landking) - 10 grains
    Book (Basic Alchemical Potions) - 10 grains
    Book (The Artifact Of Pnyx) - 10 grains
    Book (Exploration of Seldane Ruins by Timon, red cover, closed) - 10 grains
    Book (Exploration of Seldane Ruins by Timon, blue cover, open) - 10 grains
    Book (Exploration of Seldane Ruins by Timon, blue cover, closed) - 10 grains
    Book (Study of Timeflux) - 34 grains
    Sapphire Book of the Crown - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Wisdom - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Understanding - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Mercy - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Power - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Beauty - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Victory - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Splendor - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of Foundation - 10 grains
    Sapphire Book of the Kingdom - 10 grains
    Grimoire - 8 grains

    Keys -

    Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "B") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "C") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "D") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "E") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "F") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "G") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "B") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "C") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "D") - 1 grain
    Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "F") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing left, labeled "B") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing left, labeled "C") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing left, labeled "D") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "C") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "D") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "E") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "F") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "G") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "H") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "I") - 1 grain
    Key (Brass key, facing right, not labeled - sewer key) - 1 grain
    Lock Pick - 1 grain
    Half Disk (Left Half) - 3 grains
    Half Disk (Right Half) - 3 grains
    Black Disk - 1 grain
    Black Disk - 1 grain
    Strange Device - 4 grains

    Alchemy, Potions, and Liquids -

    Spider Web - 1 grain each
    Ruby - 1 grain each
    Obsidian - 1 grain each
    Peppermint - 1 grain each
    Diamond - 1 grain each
    Sulfur - 1 grain each
    Seed Pod - 1 grain each
    Bean 0 1 grain each
    Harpy Egg - 15 grains
    Kelp - 1 grain
    Healing Potion - 1 grain
    Mage's Friend Potion - 1 grain
    Antidote Potion - 1 grain
    Clear Mind Potion - 1 grain
    Smith's Friend Potion - 1 grain
    Far Sight Potion - 1 grain
    Sustenance Potion - 1 grain
    Free Motion Potion - 1 grain
    Kesh Bottle - 1 grain
    Ungent - 4 grains
    Strange Staff - 25 grains
    Strange Staff (Empty) - 25 grains
    Scale - 20 grains
    Mortar and Pestle - 5 grains
    Hourglass - 3 grains

    Cooking and Food-Related -

    Rolling Pin - 2 grains
    Plate - 2 grains
    Dinner Knife - 1 grain
    Spoon - 1 grain
    Fork - 1 grain
    Glass - 2 grains
    Pewter Mug- 2 grains
    Dough (Not rolled yet) - 1 grain
    Dough (Ready to Bake) - 1 grain
    Bag of Flour - 100 grains
    Butter - 1 grain
    Pail - 16 grains
    Pail of Milk - 48 grains
    Pail of Water - 48 grains
    Pitcher (Small, empty) - 10 grains
    Pitcher (Small, filled with milk) - 10 grains
    Pitcher (Small, filled with water) - 10 grains
    Pitcher (Large, empty) - 10 grains
    Pitcher (Large, filled with milk) - 10 grains
    Pitcher (Large, filled with water) - 10 grains

    Food -

    Flatbread - 1 grain
    Hand-baked Bread - 1 grain
    Bread - 1 grain
    Cheese - 1 grain
    Fish - 1 grain
    Fowl - 1 grain
    Grapes - 1 grain
    Pomegranate - 1 grain
    Meat (Ribs) - 1 grain
    Meat (Leg) - 1 grain
    Steak - 1 grain
    Sausage - 1 grain
    Kabobs - 1 grain
    Meatpie - 1 grain
    Mushroom Steak - 1 grain
    Edible Strange Device - 1 grain

    Containers -

    Chest (Open) - 20 grains
    Chest (Closed) - 20 grains
    Chest (Locked) - 20 grains
    Chest (Magically Locked)
    Coffer (Open) - 10 grains
    Coffer (Closed) - 10 grains
    Coffer (Locked) - 10 grains
    Coffer (Magically Locked) - 10 grains
    Pouch - 2 grains
    Sack - 32 grains

    Corpses -

    Corpse (Ruffian) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Guard) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Fighter) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Beggar) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Man, gray clothing) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Man, blue clothing) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Woman, gray clothing) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Woman, purple clothing) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Child) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Nobleman) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Noblewoman) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Mage) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Magess) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Workman) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Hunter) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Seldane, male) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Seldane, female) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Magpie) - 160 grains
    Corpse (Unicorn) - 255 grains
    Corpse (Titan) - 255 grains
    Corpse (Wolflizard) - 40 grains
    Corpse (Swamp Gator) - 200 grains
    Corpse (Giant Crab) - 160 grains

    Farming and Weaving -

    Hoe - 13 grains
    Rake - 13 grains
    Scythe - 34 grains
    Pitchfork - 16 grains
    Flax - 22 grains
    Thread (Yellow) - 2 grains
    Thread (Blue) - 2 grains
    Thread (Green) - 2 grains
    Cloth (Red) - 4 grains
    Cloth (Blue) - 4 grains
    Cloth (Green) - 4 grains

    Sources of Light -

    Torch - 5 grains each
    Lit Torch - 5 grains
    Spent Torch - 5 grains
    Lamp (Full) - 3 grains
    Lamp (Mostly Full) - 3 grains
    Lamp (Half Full) - 3 grains
    Lamp (Almost Empty)
    Lamp (Empty) - 3 grains
    Lamp (Lit) - 3 grains
    Candle - 2 grains
    Candle (Lit) - 2 grains
    Candle (Spent) - 2 grains
    Candelabra - 2 grains
    Candelabra (Lit) - 2 grains
    Candelabra (Spent) - 2 grains

    Crystal Balls -

    Crystal Ball (Green) - 20 grains
    Crystal Ball (Blue) - 20 grains
    Crystal Ball (Purple) - 20 grains
    Crystal Ball (Empty) - 20 grains

    Crolna -

    Glowing Crystal (First piece) - 1 grains
    Glowing Crystal (Second piece) - 1 grain
    Glowing Crystal (Third piece) - 1 grain
    Glowing Crystal (Fourth Peice) - 1 grain
    Glowing Crystal (First two pieces joined) - 1 grain
    Glowing Crystal (First three pieces joined) - 1 grain
    Glowing Crystal (All four pieces joined) - 1 grain

    Miscellaneous -

    Oboloi (1) - 1 grain
    Oboloi (2) - 2 grains
    Oboloi (3) - 3 grains
    Oboloi (4) - 4 grains
    Oboloi (5-9) - 1 grain each
    Oboloi (10-19) - 1 grain each
    Oboloi (20-34) - 1 grain each
    Oboloi (35 and up) - 1 grain each
    Fishing Pole - 3 grains
    Fishing Net
    Shovel - 18 grains
    Rope - 100 grains
    Boards - 30 grains
    Inkwell - 2 grains
    Gavel - 2 grains
    Strange Rod - 2 grains
    Debris (Type 1) - 20 grains
    Debris (Type 2) - 20 grains
    Debris (Type 3) - 20 grains
    Debris (Type 4) - 20 grains
    Hand Mirror - 3 grains
    Broken Hand Mirror - 3 grains
    Dice - 3 grains
    Earthheart Mushroom
    Panpipes - 2 grains
    Lute - 6 grains
    Lyre - 4 grains



  • It must have been interesting getting the weight of "Bomb (Lit)".



  • It only takes one turn to weigh an item, and I'm pretty sure it takes several for a bomb to explode (maybe someday I'll count if I remember). I snuffed it out after I weighed it, because I'm boring like that.



  • Very impressive work, 453 :) .



  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall the kesh bottle found in the ruffian encampment being much heavier than all the others in the game?



  • It acts like it's heavier (as in you can't fit it in most containers and it’s worth 25 inventory), but when you weigh it, the scale says it's 1 grain.



  • Interesting, that seems to suggest that--for some items anyway--weight is not related to an item's inventory size.



  • Nice work, BW! I need to add this information to the items page on the Reference Guide. I also need to add the information about hunger and sleeping/regenerating from a couple of other threads. I'll get around to that sometime...



  • Wizard, you seem to have killed everyone by posting…and I suspect that you still haven't updated your website.


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